POBOR vs F1 All Star (6298 views)

pl phLa
pl Grassman
pl Palemki:OC==8
pl beast^^
pl ragnak
pl Szyna
pl Gis
Not Announced
15.10.08 23:00 CEST
Awards awarded to for
Lady Macbeth deathLess|LERDOMAN 44 kills
Killing Spree deathLess|LERDOMAN 11 frags without being killed
Accountant deathLess|Zion - 222% kills/killed ratio
He's dead, Jim! deathLess|Neeeom 20 gibs
...and stay dead! POBURkaurz 64% gibs/kill
Lead Poisoning deathLess|LERDOMAN 35 SMG kills
Spammity spam spam! deathLess|neo 12 SPAM kills
Fragstealer deathLess|Neeeom 69 damage per frag
Die! Damn you, Die! deathLess|Zion - 176 damage per frag
What objective? deathLess|Neeeom 243 XP
Red Shirt POBURkaurz 45 deaths
Are these pliers sharp? POBURkaurz 13 deaths without fragging
Med Pack Whore deathLess|Zion - 251 damage per death
Eyes Wide Shut deathLess|LERDOMAN 4 team kills
Gingerbread man deathLess|neo 10 /kills
Player Summary for the entire Match
[-] (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMD/KD/KdKSDS
POBORphLa53137213911132441439444420/00/317/307/22109935
POBORbeast6517222341022404651103200/02/920/192/418415044
POBORRafRasz^71041972524300036654089540/00/124/181/714717036
POBURkaurz308114459118324748022070/06/42/276/8232104213
POBOR|Szyna661262131510242753851310/01/27/1611/1020412025
POB59713103173293614196472179610540/09/270/1627/1019512937
deathLess|LERDOMAN169222442513146532839921972/02/135/125/6121154113
deathLess|Neeeom14224337262001154954679270/01/334/163/914918045
deathLess|tooo:>100212313115036439644101350/03/224/247/114214275
deathLess|neo107218292770010445634281750/05/012/1412/415412734
deathLess|JoNa6717120296127338436931330/14/117/151/516912346
deathLess|Zion -222125209702234062220510/06/115/71/017024762
deathLess|1211191181147682123226465224227182/021/1137/729/015116264
deathLess|Neeeom52691324311715252089340/15/12/127/31178437
ETTV79751519200125592749170/00/115/130/517114524
641442843511840844838510/05/117/137/514411536
Player Summary for sw_goldrush_te
[-] 1st Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMEvents
POBORphLa553859100011671100180/00/15/70/1DKKDKDDKDDDDKD
POBORbeast453351100001204135100/01/34/60/2KDKKDDKDDDDKDDDD
POBORRafRasz^716516000036194300/00/01/80/0DDDDDDKDD
POBURkaurz20302105001504137700/00/12/60/2DDDDD/DDKDKD
POBOR|Szyna501951031009401043310/01/10/44/4KDKSDKDDDDDKKDD
POB371251846910141765814490/02/612/314/9
deathLess|LERDOMAN2205611531131727479960/00/08/14/1DKKKKKKK/KSD/KTK/K
deathLess|Neeeom3006012411000146092200/01/010/51/1DKKKDKKKKDKKXKKXKD
deathLess|tooo:>3006612480101174131550/02/010/41/0KTKKDKKKKKKKDDKKD
deathLess|neo17542741000110062900/04/00/43/1DDKKKXKDKDKK
deathLess|JoNa7557685014785920830/01/16/10/2//DDD/K/TKKKKDK
deathLess|Zion -1405075201213791053200/02/15/31/0KXK/KDKD/TKDKK
deathLess|202331553030149762553182040/010/239/1810/5

[-] 2nd Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMEvents
POBORphLa33183911107639371640/00/02/72/0DDKDDDSDKTDKD
POBORbeast875678000111591577360/00/36/31/1KKDDK/DDDKDKDKK
POBORRafRasz^71664810610001318113300/00/09/31/4KDKKDKDKKKDDKKXKD
POBURkaurz040111100378127800/00/20/60/3DXDXDDDDDSDDD
POBOR|Szyna60236101000858104900/00/00/46/5DDKKDKDKDKDDKDDD
POB6914926444211447659742000/00/517/2310/13
deathLess|LERDOMAN1283197100195773300/00/05/51/2KDKKDKDKDKXK/KDDK
deathLess|Neeeom723081130011334119300/00/06/52/6DKKDKDDDD/KKDKXDDKKD
deathLess|tooo:>71525700128891118320/00/04/42/1/KDDTKK/DKDKD
deathLess|neo1504296400210605521210/01/00/28/2DKK/K/KKKDKKDKD
deathLess|JoNa12054650001134187600/02/04/40/0KK/KKDKDDKD
deathLess|Zion -32575134501020271167310/04/010/40/0KDKKDKKKKTKKDKKKKD
deathLess|144284504013027760856391840/07/029/2413/11
Player Summary for oasis
[-] 1st Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMEvents
POBORphLa638112199022248419072600/00/29/145/1DKDKDDDKTDD/K/TKDKKDDDDKKDKKKDDDD
POBORbeast69839131021168321822840/01/39/81/1TKKKKDDKDDKK/DKKDDDDTDDD
POBORRafRasz^7155144149200019862013540/00/114/60/2KKDKKDKKDKKDKDDDKKKDDKK
POBURkaurz504712243017236521472070/06/10/156/3KXK/K//DD/KK/K/DDDDDKDDT/DDKDDKXKDKDKDD
POBOR|Szyna1118410910012477175900/00/17/71/1KKDKDKXK/KDKXDDKDKDKD
POB90439577416051110995100088050/07/839/5013/8
deathLess|Neeeom50691122301615252089340/14/12/126/3DDKD/DKKD//TDDDKXDD///DKDKKDKKKDDDK
ETTV88751517200125592749170/00/015/120/5KKDKDDKDKKDKKDKDKXDDDKDDDKDDDKK/K
691442639501740844838510/14/117/246/8
deathLess|LERDOMAN22013522109031264427801012/02/121/50/2KDDKDKKK/DXKDTTKDKKKKKKKKTKKKDKDKKKD
deathLess|Neeeom1451531611601027012564270/00/317/60/2TDKDKKKKDDKDKDKKDDKKDKDKKKKD
deathLess|tooo:>63941219700423331977980/01/27/154/0XDDK/DD//K/DKDDKXDKKDDKKKKDDDDKKD
deathLess|neo801341215200722962247540/00/011/71/1/DKD/K//DK//DDKKK/KDKKKDKDK
deathLess|JoNa3760616110212581897500/11/05/100/3DDDK//DDDKDKSDDXKDKDKDD
deathLess|109576687125141411232114653302/14/661/435/8

[-] 2nd Round (click columns to sort, the [+] to expand)
NameEffXPKDGSuiTK/KDGDRTDKnfP/RSMGSPMEvents
POBORphLa5001200000000/00/01/20/0DKD
POBORbeast5001200000000/00/01/20/0DDK
POBORRafRasz^7000300000000/00/00/10/1DDD
POBOR|Szyna000200010000/00/00/10/0/D
POB2502900010000/00/02/60/1
deathLess|Neeeom10002201010000/01/00/01/0K/KS
ETTV000200000000/00/10/10/0DD
5002401010000/01/10/11/0
deathLess|LERDOMAN6602300010000/00/01/10/1XKKD/
deathLess|Neeeom10001000000000/00/01/00/0K
deathLess|tooo:>20002100100000/00/03/10/0KKDT
deathLess|neo5001200010000/00/01/10/0/KX
deathLess|JoNa10002000100000/00/02/01/0TKK
deathLess|10308600220000/00/08/31/1

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Player Chats
deathLess|JoNa [Warmup]: shoutouts to Poppy'N'Fresh
deathLess|Neeeom [Warmup]: shoutouts to all XD
POBOR|Szyna [Warmup]: GL&HF
POBOR|Szyna [Warmup]: GL&HF
POBOR|Szyna [Warmup]: GL&HF
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: tagup
deathLess|Neeeom [Warmup]: or forfeit?
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: tagup!
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: :DDDDDDDDDD
deathLess|Neeeom [Warmup]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Zion - [Warmup]: ay mucha gente k es padre
deathLess|Neeeom [Warmup]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Neeeom [Warmup]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Zion - [Countdown]: xD
deathLess|Neeeom [Countdown]: gl hf
POBURkaurz [Countdown]: hf
POBORphLa [Countdown]: fun
POBURkaurz [Countdown]: 00:07.13 (@rollo) thx
POBURkaurz [Countdown]: 00:07.22 (@phLa) thc
deathLess|Zion - [Countdown]: hf
deathLess|JoNa [Countdown]: Madafaka: hay mucha gente que es padre
ETTV [14:57]: speclock girls
[14:50]: Axis team locked from spectators by POBURkaurz
[14:04]: The Tank has been repaired!
[14:01]: Allied team has stolen the Tank!
[13:57]: POBORLadyMacbeth disconnected
[13:56]: The Tank has been damaged!
POBURkaurz [13:41]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [13:41]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [13:41]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [13:40]: :DDDDDDDDDD
[13:32]: The Tank has been repaired!
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: 6th?
[13:14]: Match is PAUSED! (Axis)
POBURkaurz [13:14]: palemki is retarded
[13:14]: Match resuming in 225 seconds!
POBURkaurz [13:14]: 00:07.13 (@rollo) thx
POBURkaurz [13:14]: 00:07.22 (@phLa) thc
POBURkaurz [13:14]: 00:07.28 (@phLa) sie mowi
[13:14]: Match resuming in 210 seconds!
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: np im retar
[13:14]: Match resuming in 195 seconds!
deathLess|LERDOMAN [13:14]: we know.
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: :D
[13:14]: Match resuming in 180 seconds!
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: restart? :D
[13:14]: Match resuming in 165 seconds!
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: NO
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: :!D
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: Xd
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: :(
deathLess|neo [13:14]: NO :)
[13:14]: Match resuming in 150 seconds!
deathLess|JoNa [13:14]: GRASSMAN OHHHHHHHH GRASSMANNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: thx :)
POBURkaurz [13:14]: :o
[13:14]: Match resuming in 135 seconds!
POBURkaurz [13:14]: 23:11.41 ( ovs`kaurz ) Po||ux
POBURkaurz [13:14]: 23:11.54 ( Po||ux ) hi
POBURkaurz [13:14]: 23:11.58 ( ovs`kaurz ) ip pw dcc
POBURkaurz [13:14]: 23:12.09 ( Po||ux ) why dcc
deathLess|JoNa [13:14]: Madafaka: hay mucha gente que es padre
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: POBOR!
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: GL&HF
[13:14]: Match resuming in 120 seconds!
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: <@FF|Templar> tylko zmk zeby Monisia sie nie dowiedziala ze z toba krece
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: <@FF|Templar> :D
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: jajajja
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: (23:51:51) (@majcok) trzech przeciwko trzem, srednie umiejetnosci strzeleckie, brak poligonu (preferowany las z bunkrem)
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: who is rifle?
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: xD
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: xD
[13:14]: Match resuming in 105 seconds!
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: I
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: hp?
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: 100hp
deathLess|neo [13:14]: 71
[13:14]: Match resuming in 90 seconds!
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: not good
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: no no 100hp
POBURkaurz [13:14]: :o
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: mada t lo explico yo
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: xD
deathLess|neo [13:14]: YOU?
[13:14]: Speed connected
POBURkaurz [13:14]: grassman 10
POBURkaurz [13:14]: :XDDDd
POBURkaurz [13:14]: :XDDDd
POBURkaurz [13:14]: :XDDd
[13:14]: Match resuming in 75 seconds!
deathLess|neo [13:14]: YOU HP?
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: no he lies!!
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: me 56
[13:14]: Match resuming in 60 seconds!
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: somos F1
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: :o
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: no no
[13:14]: Match resuming in 45 seconds!
deathLess|tooo:> [13:14]: YOU FAILED
deathLess|Neeeom [13:14]: YOU FAILED!
deathLess|LERDOMAN [13:14]: YOU FAILED.
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: Im failed
POBURkaurz [13:14]: :o
POBURkaurz [13:14]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [13:14]: :DDDDDDDDDD
[13:14]: Match resuming in 10 seconds!
deathLess|Zion - [13:14]: :D
[13:14]: Match resuming in 9 seconds!
[13:14]: Match resuming in 8 seconds!
[13:14]: Match resuming in 7 seconds!
[13:14]: Match resuming in 6 seconds!
[13:14]: Match resuming in 5 seconds!
deathLess|JoNa [13:14]: PLACA PLACA!
[13:14]: Match resuming in 4 seconds!
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: GL&HF
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: GL&HF
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: GL&HF
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: GL&HF
POBOR|Szyna [13:14]: GL&HF
[13:14]: Match resuming in 3 seconds!
[13:14]: Match resuming in 2 seconds!
[13:14]: Match resuming in 1 seconds!
[13:14]: FIGHT!
POBURkaurz [13:11]: :XDDDD
POBURkaurz [13:10]: :XDDD
[12:40]: Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[12:26]: The Tank has been damaged!
[12:13]: The Tank has been repaired!
POBURkaurz [12:09]: xdd
[12:02]: Allied team has destroyed the Bank Doors!
POBURkaurz [11:17]: =D
POBORphLa [11:17]: :xd
POBORphLa [11:16]: :XD
deathLess|Neeeom [11:14]: :DDDDD
POBOR|Szyna [11:13]: :D
POBORphLa [11:08]: oasis next?
[11:06]: Allied team is escaping with the Gold Crate!
deathLess|LERDOMAN [10:23]: HAVE A NICE FULLSPWAN :):):):):):):):)):):):)
POBURkaurz [10:18]: :o
deathLess|JoNa [10:17]: grassman u are my idol
deathLess|Neeeom [10:06]: why?
[10:05]: Allied team escaped with the Gold Crate!
[Intermission]: >>> Clock set to: 4:55
POBORphLa [Intermission]: :D
POBURkaurz [Intermission]: u know guys, we let you win
deathLess|JoNa [Intermission]: your name is 1337
deathLess|Neeeom [Intermission]: XD
deathLess|Neeeom [Warmup]: phla is bigger smoker then me
deathLess|Neeeom [Warmup]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Neeeom [Warmup]: flipao!
deathLess|LERDOMAN [Warmup]: idiota
POBORphLa [Warmup]: !:O
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: :XDDDDDDDDdd
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBORphLa [Warmup]: !:O
POBORphLa [Warmup]: nowai
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: idiota indeed
deathLess|LERDOMAN [Warmup]: toori is idiot
deathLess|LERDOMAN [Warmup]: aka tooo
deathLess|tooo:> [Warmup]: BTC IS GAY VERY VERY GAY
deathLess|Neeeom [Countdown]: best.impe:hahahaha ok neom
deathLess|Neeeom [Countdown]: best.impe:nice bot
deathLess|Neeeom [Countdown]: best.impe:rly u have hax
deathLess|Neeeom [Countdown]: best.impe:cheater die idiot
deathLess|Neeeom [Countdown]: best.impe:new maus
deathLess|Neeeom [Countdown]: best.impe:k k fuck you
POBURkaurz [4:47]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [4:47]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [4:47]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [4:47]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [4:27]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [4:27]: :DDDDDDDDDD
[4:25]: Tank Barrier #1 has been constructed.
[3:55]: Axis Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
POBURkaurz [1:46]: :XDD
deathLess|Neeeom [1:33]: :DDDDD
deathLess|Neeeom [1:33]: :DDDDD
[Intermission]: >>> Objective NOT reached in time (4:55)
deathLess|JoNa [Intermission]: ok
deathLess|JoNa [Intermission]: bb
POBURkaurz [Intermission]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBURkaurz [Intermission]: :DDDDDDDDDD
POBORphLa [Intermission]: o0
[Intermission]: deathLess|JoNa disconnected
POBURkaurz [Intermission]: low+max
[Intermission]: POBORGrassman disconnected
deathLess|LERDOMAN [Intermission]: lo f1 deben ser malos
[Intermission]: ETTV disconnected
deathLess|LERDOMAN [Intermission]: mu malos
deathLess|Zion - [Warmup]: o
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: ziom
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: bb
deathLess|Zion - [Warmup]: xD
POBORphLa [Warmup]: idzie opo
POBORphLa [Warmup]: enemy comin
POBORphLa [Warmup]: chill !!
POBORRafRasz^7 [Warmup]: :P
POBORRafRasz^7 [Warmup]: rodzino kaurza nie odchodz od telewizji
POBORphLa [Warmup]: czas na reklamy
POBORphLa [Warmup]: rest of your team ?
deathLess|LERDOMAN [Warmup]: coming
deathLess|LERDOMAN [Warmup]: map?
deathLess|Neeeom [Warmup]: f3
POBORphLa [Warmup]: this
deathLess|Neeeom [Warmup]: gogogo
deathLess|LERDOMAN [Warmup]: this? :o
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: guys tagup
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: guys tagup
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: tag up ppl, fans watching
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: tag up fucking nazi shit eating cock sucking tards
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: =C
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: you can call
POBORphLa [Warmup]: CFG WORKS
deathLess|LERDOMAN [Warmup]: this oasis dont support it
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: it every second
deathLess|neo [Warmup]: u need to be loved?
deathLess|tooo:> [Warmup]: ...
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: and it wont show
POBORphLa [Warmup]: just bugged with name showin
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: if u want
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: so much
POBOR|Szyna [Warmup]: LaL
POBURkaurz [Countdown]: hf
POBURkaurz [Countdown]: ;d
POBOR|Szyna [Countdown]: GL&HF
POBOR|Szyna [Countdown]: GL&HF
[19:31]: Allies have built the Oasis Water Pump!
[17:35]: Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[17:35]: Allies capture the Old City!
[17:33]: Axis reclaim the Old City!
[17:16]: Allies capture the Old City!
[16:54]: Axis Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!
[16:35]: Allies have built the Old City Water Pump!
[16:35]: Allies have repaired both Water Pumps!
[16:28]: Allies have breached the Old City wall
[14:10]: Match is PAUSED! (Axis)
[14:09]: Match resuming in 225 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 210 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 195 seconds!
POBURkaurz [14:09]: 01:03.52 ( @majcok` ) j4q masz jakies nowe foty robakow? :D
POBURkaurz [14:09]: 01:04.23 ( @j4q ) a co? stary na ryby idzie?
POBURkaurz [14:09]: 01:05.12 ( @majcok` ) ta moj stary i ryby
POBURkaurz [14:09]: 01:05.19 ( @majcok` ) chyba jakby w wodce plywaly
POBORphLa [14:10]: (01:45:14) <scythe_> my grandpa killed ur grandpa, retarded cheater kid
POBORphLa [14:10]: (01:45:38) <scythe_> yep, ofc and raped ur grandma
POBORphLa [14:10]: (01:45:49) <scythe_> during ww2
POBORphLa [14:10]: (01:57:08) <scythe_> ur grandma sucked german dicks in Oswiecim =)
[14:09]: Match resuming in 180 seconds!
POBORphLa [14:09]: 01:21:20 › [ _MasCarX ] nie wiem
POBORphLa [14:09]: 01:21:24 › [ _MasCarX ] co to znaczy si
[14:10]: kapel connected
POBORphLa [14:10]: 18:15:02 › [ mi6r11z ] moge zagrac
POBORphLa [14:10]: 18:15:06 › [ phLa ] nie
POBORphLa [14:10]: 18:15:09 › [ mi6r11z ] nie??
deathLess|tooo:> [14:09]: .....
[14:09]: Axis team locked by POBURkaurz
[14:09]: Match resuming in 165 seconds!
POBORphLa [14:10]: o0
POBURkaurz [14:09]: who is kapel ?;d
deathLess|tooo:> [14:10]: ours
[14:09]: Match resuming in 150 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 10 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 9 seconds!
deathLess|Neeeom [14:09]: spec
[14:09]: Match resuming in 8 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 7 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 6 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 5 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 4 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 3 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 2 seconds!
[14:09]: Match resuming in 1 seconds!
[14:09]: FIGHT!
[11:54]: Allies have destroyed the North Anti-Tank Gun!
[8:18]: Allied team has destroyed the South Anti-Tank Gun!
[8:18]: Allies have destroyed both Anti-Tank Guns!
[Intermission]: >>> Clock set to: 11:41
POBOR|Szyna [Intermission]: gg
POBURkaurz [Warmup]: rup
ETTV [Warmup]: READY
deathLess|neo [Warmup]: hush
[11:07]: Allies have built the Oasis Water Pump!
[10:37]: Allied Command Post constructed. Charge speed increased!

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